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Post by Handsome Devil on May 28, 2011 14:19:56 GMT -5
I'd have to say M Night Shyamalan. That man has never made a good film. And before you ask: yes, I have seen The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable. Both bored the hell out of me.
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Post by StevePulaski on May 28, 2011 14:46:14 GMT -5
M. Night is a pretty poor director, but I did like The Sixth Sense I thought that was pretty good, not great, but good. I didn't like The Night Chronicles: Devil and I hated Lady in the Water. As for directors I don't like, probably Friedberg and Seltzer and Uwe Boll.
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Post by nopersonality on May 28, 2011 16:47:43 GMT -5
Steve's examples are great. However, the reason I'm not agreeing with them is that I believe the title of Worst Director needs to go to someone who has done the most damage. And that someone is none other than Michael-fucking-Bay. He is pious. He's an egomaniac. He's a money whore. He has no concept of writing, character development, storytelling, dialogue. And he covers up the fact that his movies have no substance by an overabundance of action and "comedy." The man literally is Satan himself. And he is one of the reasons 2000-now has been such an extraordinarily weak time for film.
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Post by Handsome Devil on May 28, 2011 18:25:53 GMT -5
Steve's examples are great. However, the reason I'm not agreeing with them is that I believe the title of Worst Director needs to go to someone who has done the most damage. And that someone is none other than Michael-fucking-Bay. He is pious. He's an egomaniac. He's a money whore. He has no concept of writing, character development, storytelling, dialogue. And he covers up the fact that his movies have no substance by an overabundance of action and "comedy." The man literally is Satan himself. And he is one of the reasons 2000-now has been such an extraordinarily weak time for film. So many people would say that. I honestly disagree with them. Michael Bay isn't Satan. He's not the best, but he's not the worst. The Rock is a great action movie. Armageddon has some very funny bits but some very cliche bits. Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2 are stupid, but fun. The Transformers films are trash. Pearl Harbor is god-fucking-awful. But, he never has written anything ever. Strictly a director/producer. Saying he's the worst director of all time is very harsh. |
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Post by nopersonality on May 28, 2011 18:59:37 GMT -5
We're clearly not going to agree on this but I stand firm- he's the worst director in the history of film. Because he has not only also become a marketing force, spearheading the production of several remakes (all insidiously bad) of famous horror films - in effect, killing an entire genre - he also has influenced countless films to become as stupid as his. In fact, given how much of Armageddon was meant to be comedic, who is to say that film didn't inspire Hollywood comedies too? But his stamp of evil is seen all over the action genre, which I would say has been effectively reduced to complete stupidity-inbreeding (dipping into itself and dividing until the few whole fragments left are too small to be seen by the naked eye). Remember that I'm saying the amount of damage he has done gives him a far greater edge over the likes of Uwe Boll, etc. Directors who may be technically worse. The Rock is a great action movie. Armageddon has some very funny bits but some very cliche bits. Bad Boys and Bad Boys 2 are stupid, but fun. The Transformers films are trash. Pearl Harbor is god-fucking-awful. But, he never has written anything ever. Strictly a director/producer. I said that he has no concept of writing- that doesn't mean I thought he was a writer. And in cinematic terms- any director who represents a total force of destruction on a level that can total the entire artform is Satan in my book. Again, in a cinematic context. As for his films individually- they are all bad films in my book. Clearly, you can tell I don't have a very high opinion of the action genre. I know they're supposed to just be dumb fun. But as a result of his films, untold human brain cells have been fried and studios have pushed for anything with his name on it as well as more films just like his. I don't think his films were harmless- I was filled with rage you can't even imagine sitting through just 5 minutes of Armageddon- and that is supposed to be his best film. Have you ever seen John Carpenter's Cigarette Burns? If you haven't- see it. JUST so that you will know what I mean when I say this: "You know Le Fin Absolute Du Monde? Michael Bay directed it!" |
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Post by patface1979 on May 28, 2011 20:45:50 GMT -5
The worst director I think is Fritz Lang! The reason why is when Metropolis came out he had a budget of 100,000 Franks ( German Curancy) and he spent it on so many things like toy cars, airplanes, booze, and building high priced sets and the movie bombed in the box office and you have to know 100,000 franks back in 1922 is like $4,000,000 today! He said even though he regreted making the movie it became a nerds cult film! Any of you guys should see it but I have to warn you it's B&W and silent and 2 1/2 hr. long so that's who I think is the worst director!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2011 20:48:49 GMT -5
If you ask me, it's a toss up of Jason Friedberg & Aaaron Seltzer, Uwe Boll, and Michael Bay. Though, if I had to pick, I would have to agree with NP and say Michael Bay. Aside from the reasons that NP has mentioned, he has been nominated several times for a Razzie for Worst Director (which is fact), he is one of the richest directors in the film business (which is a fact), and he "enriches" his films through the overuse of explosions (which is a FREAKIN' fact!). What really fries me is how he has handled the Transformers movies, and how that despite makign two very lousy films, people are hyped for the third film that is scheduled for release in theaters next month. I will not lie, but I admit to having liked the first TF film, and even passed the second as just "okay." My God, how could I have been stupid enough to let those Bay films off like that. Then again, I have been a long time fan of Transformers, so I had high hopes for these movies, but I guess they were not high enough. Now that I am much older and wiser, I now see these live action Transformers movies for what they are: cinematic trash brought to us by Michael Bay. Ugh!  However, Bay is not the only problem that plagues the Transformer franchise. I have come to realize that Transformers has been devoid of originality, creativity, and continuity since the end of the Beast Era and has been recycling the same material again, and again, and again. I know that the TF franchise is a product of Hasbro just trying to sell toys, and that was even apparent back in the times of Generation One (the original Transformers), but even then they still had some good ideas. In fact, when Beast Wars came along, it really brought incredible life to the franchise. Unfortunately, Hasbro has subcombed to reinventing the same characters continuously and like fools we continue buying from them. So between Bay and Hasbro, the TF franchise serious needs to die. I mean it. I would rather have my beloved franchise of toys and cartoons be axed then continue to get degraded. That is why I am hoping against all odds that TF3 will fail, but I doubt that is going to happen. People are hyped, but can you find anything about this trailer that seems appealing at all? This movie just looks awful and will easily go down as one of the worst threequels ever made.  Still, I continue to hope that it will fail at the box office, striking a critical blow against both Bay and Hasbro. Remember, folks: Sometimes, in order to save something you love, you have to destroy it. |
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Post by StevePulaski on May 28, 2011 22:02:12 GMT -5
If you want to talk about who damaged the film world its easily Friedberg and Seltzer and Bay. Friedberg/Seltzer made it so all movies have to mention some sort of movie or have some pop culture reference to be funny. Bay tarnished the world of horror, making all the characters absolute idiots and the villains cheaply crafted and stock turning Freddy and Jason into complete jokes.
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Post by Handsome Devil on May 28, 2011 22:04:56 GMT -5
The worst director I think is Fritz Lang! The reason why is when Metropolis came out he had a budget of 100,000 Franks ( German Curancy) and he spent it on so many things like toy cars, airplanes, booze, and building high priced sets and the movie bombed in the box office and you have to know 100,000 franks back in 1922 is like $4,000,000 today! He said even though he regreted making the movie it became a nerds cult film! Any of you guys should see it but I have to warn you it's B&W and silent and 2 1/2 hr. long so that's who I think is the worst director! Okay, I'll get to the others later, but this is downright absurd. Fritz Lang is one of the premier filmmakers responsible for some of the greatest films ever made. |
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Post by StevePulaski on May 28, 2011 22:15:30 GMT -5
The worst director I think is Fritz Lang! The reason why is when Metropolis came out he had a budget of 100,000 Franks ( German Curancy) and he spent it on so many things like toy cars, airplanes, booze, and building high priced sets and the movie bombed in the box office and you have to know 100,000 franks back in 1922 is like $4,000,000 today! He said even though he regreted making the movie it became a nerds cult film! Any of you guys should see it but I have to warn you it's B&W and silent and 2 1/2 hr. long so that's who I think is the worst director! Okay, I'll get to the others later, but this is downright absurd. Fritz Lang is one of the premier filmmakers responsible for some of the greatest films ever made. I will admit it's a quirky reason, but I'm staying out of this one. Know really nothing about Lang's work. Should get familiar. |
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Post by Handsome Devil on May 28, 2011 22:17:37 GMT -5
"famous horror films - in effect, killing an entire genre"
It happens to be a genre I don't particularly like so I don't mind it, but I can see where you're coming from.
"Remember that I'm saying the amount of damage he has done gives him a far greater edge over the likes of Uwe Boll, etc. Directors who may be technically worse."
I'm counting by pure terribleness, but I like what you're doing with it.
"Clearly, you can tell I don't have a very high opinion of the action genre."
Well, there's your problem! If you can't appreciate a good action film, you certainly could't appreciate a dumb one.
"he has been nominated several times for a Razzie for Worst Director "
M Night has been nominated for Oscars but that doesn't mean a damn thing.
"he is one of the richest directors in the film business "
Why does that matter? Basically what you're saying is that you're jealous of him.
Really Jib, all you said was that you didn't like the Transformers films, which is fine. I don't like them either. But he's made more films than that.
"Bay tarnished the world of horror, making all the characters absolute idiots and the villains cheaply crafted and stock "
That happened long before Bay started directing films.
Guys, just to be clear here I'm not saying Michael Bay is the best director of all time. I'm just saying he's not the worst by any stretch.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2011 23:40:55 GMT -5
M. Night just got lucky with The Sixth Sense, since it got way too much acclaim than it really deserved. Yet, as we saw in the 2000's, M. Night proved to be quite more favorable by the Razzies than the Oscars. Bay, on the other hand, has never been deemed worthy of Oscar acclaim and has been criticized for such films as: Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. It was with ROTF that Bay actually "won" a Razzie for Worst Director!  Jealous? I honestly could care less, except for the fact he has undeservingly made that money. Why it that a shit director like Bay can make millions upon millions of dollars while art house directors continue to be starving artists? Those kind of directors actually care about film quality and therefore should be entitled to the kind of money that Bay makes! You're damn right that jerk-off has made more movies than the Transformers films! Films which I am reluctant to see, but I might consider checking out The Rock, Pearl Harbor, and Armageddon. Though, I just know they'll be shit like the TF films. In case you didn't notice before, I actually enjoyed those TF movies when they originally came out, but I eventually came to the realization that they are just overrated garbage. Coming from a TF fan, that means a lot, and it just sucks that the franchise couldn't be under the care of someone much more talented like Peter Jackson, David Fincher, or James Cameron. To make matters worse, as long as such movies continue to make money, he will likely end up dominating a good part of the film industry. You got that right, HD. But that does not change the fact that he is an insanely overrated shit director who will go on making terrible movies. Of course, Uwe Boll is also a hefty contributor to the downfall of cinema with his godawful video game adaptations. As well as Friedberg & Seltzer, who have successfully destroyed the spoof genre. You would think that film executives would think twice about video game adaptations and spoof films after seeing the works that those directors have done. |
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Post by patface1979 on May 29, 2011 9:16:39 GMT -5
The only guy I think is a wrost director is the guy who made Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet the Spartans and so forth he's gotta be up there at least!
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Post by StevePulaski on May 29, 2011 9:32:32 GMT -5
The only guy I think is a wrost director is the guy who made Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet the Spartans and so forth he's gotta be up there at least! Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer. Jib and I both said that. And first you said he is the worst director, than you said he's up there. |
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