Petition for the Truth

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I found this particular petition while browsing the World Wide Web, and I don't know what to make of it. For one thing, and as a skeptical atheist, I KNOW that nothing will happen at end of this year and that all of that 2012 stuff is a bunch of bullshit. However, I do want the government to tell the secrets that they are keeping from the general public. There is so much shit that the government is hiding from us that it is absolutely criminal.

So basically, while I do want to sign the petition so that we may HOPEFULLY have the truth, I don't want to look like a believer in any of that nonsense. Plus, there is this question to ponder: would 10k signatures on a petition really cause the world leaders to declassify top secret information?

So as of right now, I just simply refuse to sign the petition, but I still distrust the government. Again, nothing will happen at the end of this year, but there is so much stuff that the government needs to come out with. So what are you guys' thoughts about "obtaining the truth?"

Petition: www.change.org/petitions/december-21-2012-petition-for-the-truth

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Feb 25, 2012 18:10:13 GMT -5 @zender said:

1. There's absolutely no way that the government will reveal all its secrets just because a bunch of people went on an online petition.
2. I believe in government transparency, but I'm also a realist. The government shouldn't be posting details of its military armament on the Internet for the whole world to see (though with the poor cyber security I'm sure China can see all of it).
3. Yes, the government has its secrets. But it isn't some giant conspiracy. I'm sure if you take a job with the NSA you'll understand more of how the government works.

You are absolutely right, Eduljee. The government will NEVER share any of its secrets with the general public. The petition is nothing more than wishful thinking, so it is pretty much pointless to sign it.

While I know the government has its reasons for keeping secrets, I still abide by this quote "A government that works in secrecy, is a government unworthy of the people's trust."

Which one reason why I don't vote anymore and why Steve will never vote.

[StevePulaski]

Feb 25, 2012 18:10:13 GMT -5 @zender said:

1. There's absolutely no way that the government will reveal all its secrets just because a bunch of people went on an online petition.

Karma for Eduljee's realism. That is exactly right.

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Feb 25, 2012 20:49:46 GMT -5 @zender said:

Here's a question: What is the "truth". What do you expect to learn, what do you want to learn from the government?

Is it how many people actually died in the wars:
www.iraqbodycount.org/

OR

Is the CIA involved in some conspiracy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_%E2%80%93_Osama_bin_Laden_controversy

Is the government monitoring us:
digitaljournal.com/article/319564

Are our phone calls screened:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

Are American citizens illegally detained:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Kar

How much money does the government owe:
chartsbin.com/view/549

The list is infinite, we already have a bunch of government secrets released. But no one seems to care or do anything about it. What's the point of finding out that we wiped out another village in Iraq if no one's going to do anything about it. After all, everything the government does is in the interest of "national security". Personally, I'd feel safer if the government got guns of the streets rather than go after phantom terrorists.

Well, obviously, with this particular petition, the "truth" would be what the government knows (or doesn't know) about any possible world changing events that may occur on December 21st, 2012. It is outlined in this video:




As an atheist, I of course do not believe in the 2012 Apocalypse. However...I do strongly suspect that the government apparently knows something about the near future that they are not telling us. Such a thing is critical information that we as human beings have a RIGHT to know!

That is the truth that I want the world governments to reveal to the rest of humanity, since it is our right as human beings to know what our future has instore for us as a global community. That is why I plan on signing the petition soon, especially since I am hoping that it may trigger a dominoe effect. Should the government ever reveal what they know about the not-so distant future, than other truths may be revealed as well (though I HIGHLY doubt it), such as:

1. What really happened in Roswell in 1947?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident

2. What do they know about super-massive sea monsters lurking in our world's oceans?: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmhfA9578Fg

3. What do they know regarding extra-terrestrials?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_visitation

4. What do they know regarding the (non-)existence of God? What evidence do they have?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s_existence

5. Do the Men in Black really exist?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black

6. What about Majestic 12?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12

7. What information are they with-holding about 9/11?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

8. What about the JFK assassination?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK_assassination_theories

9. Or the truth about Osama bin Laden for that matter?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden_conspiracy_theories

10. What do they know about vaccinations that they are not telling us, but at the same time are forcing us to take?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_controversy

11. Is the government really spying on citizens? If so, what are the motives behind it?: civilliberty.about.com/od/waronterror/tp/Surveillance-History.htm

12. And what exactly is goes on at Area 51 that makes it stand-out so much from other military bases?: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51#UFO_and_other_conspiracy_theories



So apparently, Zender, you're wrong about it not being a great big conspiracy. However, you are right about how the government will NEVER reveal any of their classified information to the public (especially the information that is classified as ABOVE-top secret). In fact, there is secret government information that not even the President knows about.

So sadly, we as human beings will forever be left in the dark by our shadow governments. The best we can do is just watch for any strange happenings in the world, remain informed but refrain from believing everything that we are told, and have trust and faith in our fellow citizens. The government is clearly unworthy of our trust and faith, which is why I don't vote anymore.

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Well, my family and I signed the petition this past Saturday, so now all we can do is wait and see if it will actually bring any revelations to light.

No offense, but I don't think any of you have signed it yet. While I appreciate you guys having a great sense of realism, I would really appreciate if you guys could sign to show that you demand for your right to know of what profound event(s) that may occur in the near-future.

[StevePulaski]

Signing this petition is the equivalent of saying "show us some ultra secret information, pretty please!" I'm not wasting my time on this. The government laughs at our pleas for "the truth" like this. You think they care? What do they get out of showing this to us? Nothing. No money. No new taxes. No power. Nada. If it doesn't involves getting one of those three things, the government will not do it.

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Mar 26, 2012 21:13:23 GMT -5 StevePulaski said:

Signing this petition is the equivalent of saying "show us some ultra secret information, pretty please!" I'm not wasting my time on this. The government laughs at our pleas for "the truth" like this. You think they care? What do they get out of showing this to us? Nothing. No money. No new taxes. No power. Nada. If it doesn't involves getting one of those three things, the government will not do it.

I know what you mean, but all I am trying to do is stand up for human rights and NOT stand idly by as they are being taken away piece by piece.

We all know that the government does not care one bit about human rights, otherwise bills like the Patriot Act and the NDA Act would not have been passed. Not only that, but atrocious bills like SOPA and PIPA would not even be CONSIDERED. I just don't know how our nation's founding fathers' vision of a utopian republic ends up become an Orwellian hell. I can only imagine that things are only going to get worse before they get better, with human rights further going down the crapper worldwide.

Mar 27, 2012 7:44:14 GMT -5 @zender said:

Yeah, the last thing I want to do is sign this petition and make my name public for all the world to see. Maybe I'll try using a fake name. But anyways, some secrets need to be kept by the government. If everybody knew that there were aliens, we would be scared to death. Like they say, ignorance is bliss.

Some secrets need to be kept by the government? I STRONGLY disagree. Their withholding of vital information is an infringement on our human rights, but do they care? NO! As I said before, they want to destroy human rights, and their motivation for it is so that they can have limitless power.

Yes, there would be mass hysteria if everyone knew that aliens exist. Or if super-massive sea monsters exist. Or if God really does/doesn't exist. Or if vaccinations really are harmful. Or if Yellowstone were going to go off in the foreseeable future.

But it is our RIGHT as human beings to know this stuff, no matter the outcome. Hillary Clinton was asked if safety was more important than human rights, to which she replied "I agree with that." Seriously? Well, I for one strongly disagree with that notion. In my book, human rights come first before anything else.

Ignorance is NOT bliss. Ignorance is damnation.


Yet, I have to go with your guys' realism and not bother any further with that hopeless petition. I still remain an advocate for human rights (even if I am a misanthropist, I still realize that I myself am a human being with rights), but will have to take much more realistic approaches to preserve them.


So while this may be getting off-topic a bit, here are a couple of petitions with much more realistic causes:

Giving Bully a PG-13 rating: www.change.org/petitions/mpaa-don-t-let-the-bullies-win-give-bully-a-pg-13-instead-of-an-r-rating

Justice for Trayvon Martin: www.change.org/petitions/prosecute-the-killer-of-our-son-17-year-old-trayvon-martin

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Mar 31, 2012 8:53:36 GMT -5 @zender said:

Justice for Trayvon Martin: www.change.org/petitions/prosecute-the-killer-of-our-son-17-year-old-trayvon-martin

Justice for Trayyvon Martin, how about justice for George Zimmerman? Innocent until proven guilty, right? It's not up to the media to decide if someone is guilty or not, if he's committed a hate crime or not. [/quote]

Well, that didn't take too long for this thread to get off topic. But yeah, you're absolutely right about how there should be justice for Zimmerman as well as for Martin. I just want to see Zimmerman be tried for the inicident, but we both KNOW that he would be found not guilty. Of course, society and the media prefer to carry out there own brand of "justice", rather than what is actually implemented by law and order. In fact, that is a topic that deserves it's own thread, and I'll be sure to start one up.


Anyway, as for the Bully petition, it appears that one has proven to be victorious, since the documentray will now be given a PG-13 rating like it deserves.

Also, there is another petition regarding Internet privacy that I think we should all look into: www.avaaz.org/en/stop_cispa/?slideshow

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Apr 11, 2012 16:54:35 GMT -5 @zender said:

Apr 11, 2012 15:59:23 GMT -5 @jib said:

Justice for Trayyvon Martin, how about justice for George Zimmerman? Innocent until proven guilty, right? It's not up to the media to decide if someone is guilty or not, if he's committed a hate crime or not.

Well, that didn't take too long for this thread to get off topic. But yeah, you're absolutely right about how there should be justice for Zimmerman as well as for Martin. I just want to see Zimmerman be tried for the inicident, but we both KNOW that he would be found not guilty. Of course, society and the media prefer to carry out there own brand of "justice", rather than what is actually implemented by law and order. In fact, that is a topic that deserves it's own thread, and I'll be sure to start one up.


Anyway, as for the Bully petition, it appears that one has proven to be victorious, since the documentray will now be given a PG-13 rating like it deserves.

Also, there is another petition regarding Internet privacy that I think we should all look into: www.avaaz.org/en/stop_cispa/?slideshow

Totally right, Jib. Zimmerman will be found guilty, and he probably is, but he has not had the chance to tell his side of the story. And sorry I got off topic.[/quote]

It's okay, Zender. Seeing as to how the original topic was not very flattery, I sort of meant for this to get off-topic by sharing other petitions from that site.

Anyway, I started a new thread regarding the Martin/Zimmerman case, which is up for posting. As for what I said, I said he would be found NOT guilty, just like OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony before him. Sure, he is probably just as guilty as those other two, but the fact remains that there is little evidence to support his accusations. He has already told a bit of his side of the story, claiming he shot Martin out of self-defense, but I feel like there is more to it than what he is sharing.

Hopefully, things can get much more orderly once this case finally does go to court.

[wes1016]

it's petitions like these that keep legitimate petitions for legit causes from getting recognized.

[StevePulaski]

Apr 11, 2012 20:03:27 GMT -5 wes1016 said:

it's petitions like these that keep legitimate petitions for legit causes from getting recognized.

Well said.

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Apr 11, 2012 20:04:12 GMT -5 StevePulaski said:

Apr 11, 2012 20:03:27 GMT -5 wes1016 said:

it's petitions like these that keep legitimate petitions for legit causes from getting recognized.

Well said.

What are you guys talking about? These petitions are a call to stand up for our human/civil rights! Since voting is now useless, petitioning is all we have left to help make difference in our society. Even so, I do highly fear that petitioning will eventually become useless as well.