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Post by StevePulaski on Oct 10, 2010 9:30:41 GMT -5
This films looks like it's on my side in the Government world. It also sums up most of what I was trying to say, why I prefer Republicans/Conservatism over Socialism and why I'm not fond of Obama. Though I highly doubt this movie will tell the whole truth as Documentaries usually don't go into everything. But this looks like a great film and maybe good for a first time Ray Griggs film too.
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Post by nopersonality on Oct 10, 2010 10:39:28 GMT -5
Sorry I have to lay the smackdown on you again, Steve, but that is a HIGHLY ignorant video, film, point of view, and if you are in agreement with it, that means you are lacking a lot of very important information. If you want to understand what is wrong with America and why we are in such a bad place... you are backing the wrong horses and kicking dust up at the wrong donkeys. The Republicans and the War in Iraq are the reason for every single thing that has been wrong with this country since Bush was voted into office in 2000 (and when I say "voted," I mean FRAUDED!! Cheating, lying, and stealing is not voting nor being elected into office). Bill Clinton left this country with more money than it has had since the 1970's! Over 20 years! Your little video said that this country is in such bad shape because we don't have any money. Well... look at who pissed it all away. Not a Democrat or a Liberal... It was a Republican. A Conservative. Now, people should be skeptical of Obama. Like Bill Maher said, the Democrats are the new Republicans. But that makes the current Republicans FUCKING EVIL. And they are. Over the last 10 years, they have sent HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Americans to die in Iraq. Why? They told us it was because of Osama Bin Laden. But they knew he wasn't over there. They made us think we were going over there to capture the man responsible for 9/11. They lied to us on purpose. Then... they changed their minds and told us it was because of Weapons of Mass Destruction. They made us think we were going over there to stop people who wanted to hurt us. But they knew all along, just like they knew Osama Bin Laden wasn't in Iraq, that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction. They lied again. On purpose. Then...they told us there were evil terrorists over there and we were going over there to save all the people in Iraq who were being victimized by them and that the troops were going to be building churches and schools for the people. But, instead of saving people- the troops were killing innocent civilians. They bombed the areas and killed people in houses. They killed children. And...there were tankers and trucks collecting oil which was being funneled back into the company known as Haliburton. Those are all facts!! Every last one of them has been confirmed. Republican politicans in Washington have been putting money from the government, taken from the taxpayers, into getting troops over into Iraq to get oil. They advertised. They held meetings. It was a grand old holiday project- the politicans were INVESTING in this war to get money for themselves. To make money off of the deaths of our troops and innocent people tortured, clusterbombed (and believe me - that is fucking NASTY!), and slaughtered while people like you were being told that it was in the name of "Bringing Democracy" to an underprivaleged nation. They told you it was to stop terrorism. But instead, it was just American Terrorism on the world. After 9/11, what did the Republicans do? What do YOU think they did to comfort America? They blamed everything on the Liberals. But the Republicans knew 9/11 was going to happen. And they did nothing to stop it. They were strategizing how to use the deaths of all those people to start a media war against their political enemies in the U.S. Since it's happened, you tell me - what have the Republicans done to put things right? Their answer was to turn this once vital and great and powerful nation into a CESSPOOL of widespread hatred, intolerance, fear, paranoia, homophobia, sexism, racism, xenophobia, violence, suicide, joblessness, dispair, child abuse, domestic violence. Just look at reality TV and realize this: that's the bright side of what's going on right now. Steve, this is coming from someone who has seen for myself the side of the Republicans that you don't get to see... They are SHIT. They are the lowest forms of life. Free yourself while you can of ties to them. Stop kissing their asses. If they knew you said anything positive about a gay person - they would socially isolate you, peer pressure you, and intimidate you until you acted just like them and hated and were an evil asshole just like most of them are. You are being lied to. Get out while you can. Save yourself. You don't have to like the Democrats. They're corrupt too. Just don't support the Evil Side anymore.
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Post by StevePulaski on Oct 10, 2010 10:46:08 GMT -5
Boy whenever I feel like I put up a good argument you just kick my scrotum and tell me back off. To be honest, let me say something, Government is a field I dont understand. I dont hate gays, I respect them to the fullest degree. I think I'm more Conservatism if anything, least thats what people tell me. I like Democrats, to a certain degree. The US has had it's share of good Democratic and Republican presidents. I dont want to continue government discussions to much on this forum if it gives people the wrong impression of me. I just posted this trailer because I thought it was interesting.
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Post by nopersonality on Oct 10, 2010 11:02:03 GMT -5
The reason why you can't win this argument is because you keep going back to Square 1. You go back to where you started.
There's a lot I don't understand about the government as well. But the reason I know I'm right is this: the Liberal media has been telling me this for years. For years. I've read a lot about it, I've listened to a lot of SMART people talk about it, a lot of people who don't hate blacks, gays, women, and foreign people until they know what they're about. And so... we know the information is out there. The arguments are out there. Republicans had every chance to explain the things they thought were wrong and put things right. But they never did. They just keep doing what they're doing. They keep having their Michael Medved, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, and Dom Imus talk about how evil liberals are. They combat the truth that the liberals say about them with name-calling and an angry attitude. See the difference between Bill O'Reilly and Michael Moore. Moore rarely yells at people while Fox News! does it all the time. They yell and pretend to be tough so that their followers will think liberals are weak and wouldn't step up in a war. But... we're not in a war where people are coming into America to kill us. There was 9/11 but the politicans never really told us how it happened or why. They used it to get their way in money matters.
The easiest way to make you understand the basics of Conservatives Versus Liberals is this:
"Tax & Spend Liberals" (and Obama is not one) make the surplus which helps the economy. Right now, we have a bad economy and we want a good one again (like we had when Clinton was president). That's why we voted for Obama, because he claimed to be a liberal and a good Democrat. But... Conservatives are in the business of politics to make money for ONLY the rich Americans. Rich Americans don't do as well when the economy is good. So that's why they pull every dirty trick - lying and stealing - to make you hate the Liberals. The Liberals want a good economy so most Americans (not the rich people) will be doing great. That's me and you.
The Republicans get elected by the Rich. So, when they are in-office, they manipulate the system to get money from US to pay the Rich. The Rich are ALREADY Rich. So that means, they get richer on our money and we get poorer. It's like a leech sucking blood out of a healthy person - we get skinny and they get fat.
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Post by Handsome Devil on Oct 10, 2010 14:44:48 GMT -5
Word of truth NP, words of truth.
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